"3) Odd Future is essentially horrorcore, I actually have no disagreement with this. And it irks me that white rappers like Necro, Non-Phixion and Cage have rapped about rape and violence for years and not sparked half as much vitriol as these guys."

I think the real question is why black people talking about rape and extreme violence skyrocket into fame so quickly from a white audience. Those white rappers can never generate the amount of vitriol Odd Future does, because America doesn't fetishize white men rapping about rape and sadism enough to pay that much attention to Necro in the first place.

Pssh. Hasil Adkins was cutting off women's heads and hanging them on his wall *before* it was cool...

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I didn't hear Jaime Lowe make apologies for Odd Future's lyrics. And I especially didn't hear her dismiss rape. She made an important point -- that violent lyrics and stories are lyrics and stories. Do I like what I hear? No. Do I think shock value is easy to achieve and kinda weak in general? Yes. Is Odd Future talented nonetheless? Definitely. Frankly, for those inclined to explore the violent, antisocial side of humanity, art is the way to do it.

As a black man who generally likes Odd Future, I'm a little annoyed by a lot of the very generous heapings of "black guilt" Laina Dawes seems to be throwing this group's way. I think it smacks of a "these black ruffians are making the race look bad because white people like them" paternalism. Statements like:

1) Odd Future is more "dangerous" than Cannibal Corpse because "they're more accessible" REALLY? Because ultraviolent, misogynistic lyrics are only dangerous when black people perform them?

2) "Tyler the Creator is a very smart teenager and he should know better"...Thanks mom! If only Tyler the Creator made more music like those "conscious rappers"

3) Odd Future is essentially horrorcore, I actually have no disagreement with this. And it irks me that white rappers like Necro, Non-Phixion and Cage have rapped about rape and violence for years and not sparked half as much vitriol as these guys.

4) The last argument, that Odd Future promotes makes rape and sexual assault against women seem ok and cool, and that it makes rape and sexual assault against black women seem especially cool is not something that should be dismissed or written off.

Violence against women in any community is pervasive and inexcusable, and where it exists in black communities, it should be attacked and countered. Point blank. But I have a hard time believing that black men who hit and rape women are doing it because Tyler the Creator told them to...Now whether or not they think it's okay to hit black women because bubblegum R&B singer Chris Brown is a DOCUMENTED black women abuser is another story.

If you think his music is vile, misogynistic trash, then you're more than welcome to NOT LISTEN TO IT...But for someone who is apparently writing a book about being black and let into a punk community that is at least as confrontational, violent and misogynistic.
You sure seem to be a little red-faced that Tyler the Creator, an admittedly disturbed kid, is doing the same.

Honestly, I'm less offended by Odd Future's lyrics than I am by Jaime Lowe's willingness to make weak apologies for them. Besides the apparent dismissal of rape as 'something that happens' her account of their 'diverse' audience is enough to have me laughing out loud. Have you been to a Odd Future show? it's a snowstorm. Keep digging for dirt and stick to the posthumous bios...